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sh Monday, August 23rd 2004 - 02:11:48 PM tones - what an articulate disertation - really...but i can't help it, i have to ask...did you drop acid before you wrote it? ;-) just teasin' angel - did you know that shred means you rock? geez - i'm a little out of it - i had no idea! lol i'm just growing old...

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t again... Monday, August 23rd 2004 - 11:57:10 AM On the way to work, I was thinking (instead of paying attention to the road...) about what makes a great guitar player, which lead me to think about what makes Hendrix head and shoulders above the rest, and here's what I came up with: his personality, and LSD. One thing most rock guitar players have in common is an ego the size of Manhattan (some are larger when they're compensating for lack of technical skill). Hendrix had a huge ego no doubt, but it was balanced by a genuine humility and lack of self-consciousness. My specific example of this is when most players are playing and find a flash if inspiration, there is a brief moment of realization of what has just passed through them, a pause between the flow of inspiration and creating before allowing the next moment to occur (insert scrunchy face here). Imagine speaking, stopping to think about what you've said, then moving on to the next sentence. There are lots of great guitarists and other artists who reach that space of pure inpiration, but no one has sustained that open channel for long periods of time as Jimi did. Interestingly enough, in the new documentary Festival Express, I saw Janis Joplin do it for long stretches, where there was no guile between her muse and the microphone. But I digress... this rant is specifically about guitar players, and mostly rock guitar players. Jazz players are on the whole and by definition able to open themselves to extended moments of inspiration, but also tend to be too cerebral to let their "freak flag fly", so to speak. Rock guitar players almost have too much knowledge these days to let themselves go. As soon as the serendipitous muse strikes, their first instinct is to recreate that moment. That's the moment the muse moves on. Why was Jimi able to avoid this? Most of all, I think it was his personality. When Jimi put down his guitar he was self-effacing and humble. He *never* called himself the "best", and generally like to point out many other great players when it was brought up. When Mr. Hendrix was creating at his best (the solo on "Machine Gun" as one example), there was no pause where he realized what had come through his fingers. The ideas flowed through him but weren't judged (like Parker and Coltrane) - that was up to the audience. And as the audience was processing was had just occurred he was already channeling his next sentence. Hendrix wasn't overly impressed with what had just passed through his speakers, but used it as a reference for his next statement, very much like a conversation. This is what most technically proficient guitar players never grok, and why very good players never seem to say much musically as they patch together impressive but meaningless strings of notes and riffs. "What about the LSD you" you ask? Well, though Jimi's temperment was the most important factor, LSD, when used in the right amount and situation, very much stimulates creativity, cirumvents the ego, and most importantly to this diatribe, keeps you in the moment. What happened a second ago doesn't matter as much as what is happening now. Now, I'm not saying every guitar player or artist should drop acid, but as a musician there is no better lesson. Anyway... this is all imho, and I didn't mean to turn this into a dissertation. It's just stuff I'm thinking about...

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A new update regarding David Moore Monday, August 23rd 2004 - 11:03:02 AM http://books.dreambook.com/ djmoore/guest.html

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David Monday, August 23rd 2004 - 09:51:34 AM Thanks for a fun evening, honey. Imagine putting up with a vulgar misogynist like me? Thanks to your Mr. for putting up with your wayward ways on a Sunday night. SOH stuck it out till the end which approached 1 AM. That was a marathon second set.

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t Monday, August 23rd 2004 - 09:48:12 AM angel - don't give up! You already shred, now all you need is a guitar and a scrunchy face... M5 - thanks for making the link all shiny and everything...

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angel Monday, August 23rd 2004 - 09:22:41 AM Tones: Uh, there goes my career dreams..... sob! I always wanted to be a rock guitar god. :-) Great and thoughtful article. Had a great time last night watching Pretzel Logic perform at the Baked Potato. Hung with David for the part of the 2nd set that my short leash allowed me to hear. Got to hear Your Gold Teeth and YGTII. Quite a thrill. The other real thrill was in the first set, when they played Here at the Western World. I never, absolutely never, figured I would hear that song live. Those keys.....sigh. Missed Rose Darling. Damn, that short leash!!!! :-)

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M5 Monday, August 23rd 2004 - 08:50:34 AM Thanks Tones! Very nice to learn the Wilson Sisters aka Heart are still running wild & free, musically spoken. Fine article to read.

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tones Monday, August 23rd 2004 - 08:05:54 AM http:// www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19175-2004Aug20.html Top of the week everyone. Here's an article I thought was pretty well thought out on why there's no innovative women guitarists. The keyword is "innovative", not "good"... No Girls Allowed? In the World of Guitar Boasts, Few Women Let Their Fingers Do the Talking You might need to register (it's free).

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Doctor Mu Sunday, August 22nd 2004 - 05:30:00 PM Herb; Excellent Steely Dan Blog. Great links folks! I'm a big fan of Carolyn's Steal the Moon. Great version of Mose Allison's It Didn't Turn Out That Way. Rob Bargad's got some nice piano licks...brother Jack Leonhart's got the bottom covered.

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M5 Sunday, August 22nd 2004 - 12:21:19 PM Thanks PQ!

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PQ Sunday, August 22nd 2004 - 12:07:21 PM Jake Ezra, the leader of Van Davis (name derived from Van Halen and Miles Davis) will have SD keys man Ted Baker sitting in with them at a gig next week. Jake has been kind enough to post the details at the PQ link above. Support Van Davis!

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M5 Sunday, August 22nd 2004 - 06:45:39 AM The Dr.Wu link above is the weblog mr. Herb Sierra was referring to :-)

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h.w. sierra Sunday, August 22nd 2004 - 05:57:12 AM http://damon.typepad.com/wu noticed you checked in on my weblog ... thx. i've been remiss in posting for some months and have to get back up & running. i'm going through your site now, nice. we've got steely dan in common so let's stay in touch ... and i've got some carolyn and michael leonhart stories to share if you're interested. email herb.sierra@cnn.com

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..... Sunday, August 22nd 2004 - 04:16:47 AM http://home.earthlink.net/ ~bashful7/frnzk.htm And we'll keep track of John Ferenzik too .....

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..... Sunday, August 22nd 2004 - 03:55:27 AM http://www.boomish.com/ And this is what Tim Lefebvre aka Skip Herbertson is also mixed up with .....

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..... Sunday, August 22nd 2004 - 03:43:10 AM http:// www.backstagestories.com/interviews/pages/KCarlock_interview.html Ok. We'll make it a 'full' circle :-) An interview with Keith Carlock, to refresh the memory?

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M5 Sunday, August 22nd 2004 - 03:34:05 AM And Tones, our pleasure! Sometimes we dive into the past and try and figure out what made us tick. Then we stumble across 'old' interviews and notice this genuine and heartfelt enthusiasm of an author. Paul Tingen. What he writes is a treat to read. Those are the kind of interviews we are looking for .....

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..... Sunday, August 22nd 2004 - 03:27:28 AM http://www.abstractlogix.com/ waynekrantz.php This is a link to an interview with Wayne Krantz, kind of related to what Peter Q posted earlier on WK. © Scott Cordaro

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tones Saturday, August 21st 2004 - 03:57:08 PM Only halfway through the article and I had to stop and say "thanks" for the link. I'm really enjoying the interviews.

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..... Saturday, August 21st 2004 - 02:14:01 PM http:// www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug03/articles/steelydan.htm this article is from a year ago, but it has been one of the most 'complete' articles I have read on the net.

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M5 Saturday, August 21st 2004 - 10:20:53 AM David Moore is ok. According to a friend who was so kind to leave a message on David's website!

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..... Saturday, August 21st 2004 - 03:19:48 AM It's called Gulf Coast Jazz starring Don Reitan, pianist. This album features Jay Cave on bass, 'Babe Choir' Victoria Cave's father. If anyone knows more about this 'type' of jazz or the whatabouts of Miss Cave's vocal performances these days ..... Players: Don Reitan - Piano Mike Serpas - Trumpet Jay Cave - Bass Rick Bell - Tenor Saxophone Lee Charlton - Drums Featuring Jackie Henderson - Vocals This CD is in some ways a landmark. It is a culmination of sorts of fifteen years of modern jazz on the Gulf Coast. The charts and ensemble work are relentlessly funky, showing the influence of the Jazz Messengers and Horace Silver's groups. Reitan writes ever-energetic lines and Serpas is outstanding. If Bix had lived to play modern jazz, on a good day he would have sounded like this. *from Jazz in New Orleans: The Post-War Years through 1970 by Charles Suhor, Jazz Historian Scarecrow Press (forthcoming) In 1961 Bubba Spencer, owner of the jazz club `Chez Joey where Reitan and his band were playing regularly, made a request to Cosimois Studio in New Orleans to send a remote engineer to the `Chez Joey to make a live recording. The intended album was never made, but the master has been in the hands of Lee Charlton for the past 38 years. It has been a dream of Charlton to release these tapes to the public. "And now, it is my great pleasure to invite everyone to share in the vitality of that time and place, and to recognize, once again, that as with all great music, jazz is timeless" says Charlton. Don Reitan, along with so many great players, is unfortunately no longer with us. This CD is dedicated to him and many of the great players from the Gulf Coast jazz scene, John Propst, Carol Cunningham, Benny Clements, Joe "Cheeks" Mandry, Kenny Ward, Rusty Mayne, Bill Patey. Bob Teeters and Sam Spivey.

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Aja Friday, August 20th 2004 - 07:35:51 PM LOL David! Bob Tedde knows me as "the 2nd A Girl" because I always request that song (not for any OTHER reason, mind you!). Will be happy to send you my shiniest police whistle ;o) Aja

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Rajah Friday, August 20th 2004 - 11:27:22 AM Thanks Q. I'll make "arrangements" angel & Aja.

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Peter Q Friday, August 20th 2004 - 11:14:17 AM WK Trio is not really like much like SD, and Will Lee was in the bass chair as the group's regular bassist, Tim Lefebvre, was at another committment. I have been listening to WK for many years, from the days back in the late 80s when he played with Victor Bailey a lot. I think WK's conviction not to be held hostage to a record label is exemplary and I wish more players of this caliber would have the courage. PS Ted Baker will be playing at 55 on August 31; but we all know the real deal in 55 is Mike Stern, with DC on drums! LOL>

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angel Friday, August 20th 2004 - 10:34:39 AM David: Yes, that would be cool. Thanks for the offer.

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David Friday, August 20th 2004 - 09:58:32 AM Aja, honey, then I guess that after angel, you'll be my "second arrangement?" Oooo, that WAS a stinker but I couldn't resist... So what DO you have lying around that plays a tune, sexy beast? I bet it's a Police whistle!!!

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Aja Friday, August 20th 2004 - 09:49:58 AM Wow David, I can't resist that description! Can we "arrange" something as well? I'll reciprocate! Don't have a CD burner, but I'm sure there's something musical around here you'd be interested in. Aja

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David Friday, August 20th 2004 - 07:43:39 AM angel, if you can't get a hold of a copy of Women 4, email me and we'll "arrange" something. Seriously, every grrrl should have one of these. I burned a copy for a friend last summer and she says it got her through her pregnancy...so, this soothes the savage female, apparently. Works for me too, strangely enough.

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Gretchen Friday, August 20th 2004 - 07:27:22 AM Did anyone check out Bar 55 last night, or is anyone planning to go to the Tribeca Club on the 28th? G

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angel Friday, August 20th 2004 - 06:12:58 AM David: So after you mentioned the proper title and proper song, I pull out my copy of Jazziz (the one with Carolyn on the cover) and look inside for a CD. Of course there is nothing, cause if there had been, I would have listened to it. But wait, then I see a phone number to call, if the reader did not get the CD. Argh! One year late, but at least that solved the mystery of what CD. Gonna call that number, what the heck....

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David Thursday, August 19th 2004 - 07:13:17 PM http://www.jazziz.com Proper song title: Would You Catch Me Proper magazine title: Jazziz

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David Thursday, August 19th 2004 - 02:16:55 PM Stephan, thank you for speaking with us, I love that tune, for those of you who don't know it, it's called "Catch Me When I Fall" and it's the last cut on the really wonderful compilation that Jazz Magazine stuck into the "Women of Jazz" issue last summer. Lots of great women on there, Diane Shurr doing, "Stay Away From Bill," great heartfelt rendition of "I Love You Porgy" by someone, darn I forget who now. So, so many others. Lyn Leon's cut is the gem, however. It starts out with this very sexy hi-hat and snare in 4, I mean crisp as a military march, Carolyn's crystalline pipes cut in there for a verse then it jumps to double time with, jeez, forgive my ignorance here but, I guess it's some sort of glass vibraphone sounding instrument doing this counterpoint synchopation thingy. Lots of tension, Carolyn is a vamp. I keep wondering why Lyn Leon doesn't bust out here in the states with a club tour. Ya know, our Carolyn, (we've been watching her back up SD for years, she kinda grew up before our eyes), sings great, she looks great and she moves, well, you've all seen her, so beautifully. Incredible body language: sensual but never ever undignified. And Lyn Leon mirror that cool charm. My thanks and congratulations for that wonderfully moody piece. One question, "...we can ride right past 11," a line from the tune which I take to mean 10 is the most anything can be cranked up to but you and me, babe, can ride way past the numbers on any dial. Actually, that's not a question. It's the meaning I've ascribed to the lyric and I'm sticking to it. Thanks again Stephan.

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Stephan Diethelm Thursday, August 19th 2004 - 11:33:41 AM http://www.lynleon.com 1. What was it like to perform as a supporting act for Peter Gabriel, was it a totally different experience compared to your usual performances? yes it was..... there were about 10.000 people, I've never played "my music" in front of so many people ... and they liked it ... 2. If you think back a few years, how would you describe Lyn Leon now, anno 2004 ...? years ago, we didn't know if anybody would like our music, today we are waiting for the release of "Glass Lounge" on 27th of September in Europe through SPV, and maybe we are supporting a big singer on his European tour...?!?!  3. How did you meet Carolyn Leonhart? the story how we met Carolyn Leonhart: the Swiss Percussion Group had a programm with stones, glass and clay. We wanted to do a CD and thought it would be great to have a singer. We know Gil Golgstein, because he had written a piece for the Swiss Percussion Group, so I called him and he recommended Carolyn. She came over for the weekend and after that we decided to do a cd together. So we recorded GLASS SONGS by Swiss Percussion Group & Carolyn Leonhart (the album is sold out). Mats (Matthias Eser) and I wrote all the compositions. Then we had problems with the rights concerning the poetry, so Carolyn had to do some re-writing. We had ro record again and that's when we said: let's tour with this music. People just loved it, so we figured, why not, let's do another CD, so that's the story behind Glass Lounge. We then changed the name of Swiss Percussion Group into Lyn Leon. 4. What is the ambition of a group like Lyn Leon, what are the goals? the goal is to play our music all over the world, it's more a dream right now .....  5. And what are the ideas behind your music? maybe what John Bishop of OriginArts Seattle USA said: "I love the fact that you guys have taken the art form and applied it in an area where people might actually end up hearing and appreciating it!? ok? and David, yes, that is Lyn Leon, do you like it? greetings........................... stephan  diethelm © Stephan Diethelm

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David Thursday, August 19th 2004 - 10:45:37 AM Was that you guys behind Carolyn on, "Catch Me When I Fall," which I have on my Women 4 CD from last summer's Jazz Magazine?

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M5 Thursday, August 19th 2004 - 09:57:59 AM Stephan Diethelm from the group Lyn Leon will answer some questions. 1. What was it like to perform as a supporting act for Peter Gabriel, was it a totally different experience compared to your usual performances? 2. If you think back a few years, how would you describe Lyn Leon now, anno 2004 ...? 3. How did you meet Carolyn Leonhart? 4. What is the ambition of a group like Lyn Leon, what are the goals? 5. And what are the ideas behind your music? These are the first 5 questions. If anyone else wants to know anything about Lyn Leon or Carolyn Leonhart, feel free to ask! Relaxed and polished A mellow voice and cool sounds. LYN LEON provide both. In their suitcase they're also carrying their new CD GLASS LOUNGE. In this lounge time and space are forgotten - letting oneself sink into a chair and get carried along by the musical current is the slogan. The trance-engendering sweetness springs from singer Carolyn Leonhart's vocal artistry. At once bewitchingly lascivious and dynamically energetic she sings stories of passing passions and tender love-tides. Yet more fascination is in the intricate sound patterns and the moving and, at times, trendy beats. In this way the lounge presents itself in an ever-changing acoustic décor. The result, however, are always sophisticated sounds of surreal beauty. There is no classical band-history they can offer; Lyn Leon are far from being ordinary anyway. There is, for one, vocalist Carolyn Leonhart from New York. Her home are the clubs of that world capital, jazz and pop having been laid in her cradle. And then there are her two accompanying musicians, Stephan Diethelm and Matthias Eser. The two percussionists live in the Swiss 'Mittelland', had had classical training and have since played themselves through virtually all world rhythms. All the more exciting will it be when the three team up - musically. With glass to new sounds "Soft, unfamiliar music of tender beauty," jazz critic Christian Rentsch described the result in the Tages-Anzeiger. With Lyn Leon, singing, percussion and sounds produce a smooth blend of remarkable musical artistry. The atmosphere is relaxed, the songs are melodious and catchy. Despite its calm and mellow sound texture their new CD Glass Lounge comes with some neat if not to say respectable pop grooves. First there is Carolyn Leonhart's warm voice. At once bewitchingly lascivious and dynamically energetic she sings stories of passing passions and tender love- tides. Then there are the sophisticated sounds that take us away to the realms of melancholy. They mainly stem from instruments made of glass. So, the rubbing of wine glasses creates a kind of floating singing, while glass-marimbas surprise with bright sounds. Many of the instruments used by the musicians have been specially designed and developed in co-operation with the glass-blowing works at Hergiswil The glass as material, however, remains in the background, it just provides the basis for a new sound. Singer takes home Grammy awards Behind the seeming lightness lies hidden what may be called a profound musical skill. In recent years, the two percussionists Stephan Diethelm and Matthias Eser have again and again attracted wide attention with outstanding musical projects, e.g. when working with the classical flutist Matthias Ziegler or with jazz pianist Christoph Baumann. The New Yorker singer Carolyn Leonhart, for her part, has been granted an honour of the highest order in pop music: With the Band Steely Dan she has been awarded no less than three Grammies this year. For their current live performances the three musicians are supported by bass-player Michael Chylewski und drummer Kaspar Rast - both equally renowned in our musical landscape. Together they fill the Glass Lounge with relaxed excitement. What once began will go on Stephan Diethelm and Matthias have been using glass in their music for quite some time now. Eight years ago, as members of the Swiss Percussion Ensemble and with the help of the glass-blowing works at Hergiswil, the two had put together a large number and range of musical instruments from glass objects. The programme they had at the time, Gravitational Sound - Shimmering Force, was followed three years ago by the CD Glass Songs, enhanced by the voice of Carolyn Leonhart. And now, under the name of Lyn Leon the project has, for the time being at least, reached the end of this development. The new CD is the consistent continuation of Glass Songs, yet Glass Lounge does still lead in a new direction - and presents songs of almost surreal beauty." Mark Livingston

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..... Thursday, August 19th 2004 - 08:48:13 AM http://www.lynleon.com Carolyn Leonhart and the Swiss percussion group Lyn Leon.

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tg Thursday, August 19th 2004 - 08:26:35 AM Gretchen..What you say is so true! Nuff said.

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sh Thursday, August 19th 2004 - 07:55:26 AM gretchen - yes, gentle eyes...i've watched that Making of Aja thing several times...love the close-up interview with him...his eyes are soulful and beautiful...and with a dead on serious face he says "i like fake jazz and fake, fake jazz"...lol

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P.S. Thursday, August 19th 2004 - 07:23:45 AM Disco, no, not Nightfly. It's jazz vocals, and Kami is more pop. Nightfly is timeless, Kami is more trendy, early 90's pop.

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Gretchen Thursday, August 19th 2004 - 07:21:31 AM Donald looks very intense and sexy in that pic. He has very gentle eyes, you know there's not a mean bone in his body. I love him with a beard, he's one of the few guys that looks good with one. Oh, hell, I just think he's hot, body and mind. G

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sh Thursday, August 19th 2004 - 07:12:56 AM i love that pic of Donald below. it's his eyes...

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M5 Thursday, August 19th 2004 - 06:59:12 AM In Blue they talk about white rap. It helped in a way, because I wondered about Donald Fagen's solo work. If it had to be classified in a category, which would be the best suited? I know it might be an ugly word, but Disco, this is what comes to mind. Disco.

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David Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 06:09:45 PM Alright, the picture posted does make him look somewhat manly...dangerous even, in a sort of a deranged sprocket of the military industrial state kinda way but still sensitive, ya know, the usual, chicks dig it. I mean if you can fake that kind of thing you have it made, no?

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David Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 03:00:40 PM C'mon now, let's keep this real, Donald looks like Frankenstein's monster 4.0 without the bolts through his neck. He's one strange lookin dude. That picture of him on the back of CTE? What was that hair??? It looks like Barbara Feldman from Get Smart after getting out from under the Cone of Silence. That has to be the ugliest picture of a band ever.

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sh Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 01:43:15 PM Mmmmmmm...i'm with ya sistah!

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M5 Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 01:39:52 PM Don't know why, but I like this cover.

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angel Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 12:58:26 PM Cute picture you found, dear Webperson. :-)

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M5 Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 12:54:50 PM http://www.beasleymusic.com John Beasley. We're gonna try and invite him to visit Mizar5 and perhaps he is willing to answer some questions or share some stardust stories with us!

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Gretchen Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 11:42:44 AM I used Maxine as a handle initially in here, then felt it was a safe place to let the guard down and use my real name. As far as Kami vs. Nightfly, I think Kami is lighthearted and fun, while Nightfly is a masterwork, beautifully recorded and deeply moving, particularly the title cut. My favorite line is "I wish I had a heart of ice.." as it hits the nail on the head for me. I can somehow identify with Lester and his melancholy. For me it's tea and Pall Mall's, though.

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angel Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 11:22:27 AM Bouncing between threads, or walking between raindrops, as it were.... SH: You could do a movie with those three songs and title it "Down and Almost Out in NYC". The booze, the drugs, the lack of women, the feeling sorry for oneself (partially), but not quite out yet. There is still some small spark of life burning in the characters and yes, to a certain degree I feel the life of Donald shining through them. David/Gretchen/SN: I like Kamakiriad, but it is no Nightfly. Definitely more laid back in it's feel and tone and as I have said before, I could listen to the end of "On the Dunes" for hours, especially where that sax kicks in. Sigh.... Wonderful for rainy evenings, by the fire with someone special....

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Doctor Mu Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 11:20:01 AM sh: Has to be - Libby's given some songriting credit for Florida Room I believe. They COULD be in Connecticut - Florida Room is in the mind or maybe a Holodeck thingy of some kind I love BOTH sax solos on Janie - can't have too much sax...

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David Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 11:04:04 AM They go out to lunch with some Jamaican dude? What am I missing now? They score pot? You know why I can't understand women? Cause I don't get hints. You guys are waaay too subtle for me. I'm serious.

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M5 Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 10:35:50 AM SH, I hope you don't mind me cleaning up some, you don't need to worry about anything in here because it's gonna be taken care of .....

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me again... Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 10:26:28 AM doh! i scrolled back a ways and found a post by gretchen/maxine...so,uh, well... :-s sh

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sh Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 10:23:20 AM gretchen - i meant gretchen on that post about FR, but i know maxine feels the same way too!

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sh Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 10:22:02 AM ange - i completely agree... "3 songs that seem to be connected in sound, tone and subject matter. Deacon Blues What a Shame about Me Things I miss the Most" does anyone love the sax solo in Janie Runaway like i do? ;-)

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sh Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 10:17:51 AM i do like Florida Room - it's just different than the rest on that album...love the way Donald says "we go out to lunch with some Jamaican dude"... it's all in the way he says it, isn't it maxine? i know raj doesn't understand...lol

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Gretchen Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 10:12:17 AM I love Kami, too, except I agree with sh that Florida Room is not my favorite track for the same reason she states. Dammit, why can't he write a song about me? Connecticut Room, perhaps? C'mon Donald, get in, lets go! G

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snakehips Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 08:24:05 AM i love Kama...and i feel it's sort of "techno-popish - futuristic funk" except for On the Dunes (what a sad and beautiful song) and Florida Room (i still think this is Donald's "I'm so in love with Libby" song)... t- i'm with ya baby...listened to TvN on the way in to work today...it blew me away again! whew - i'm havin' a hot flash right now...lol just thought you all might like to know that...oy sh

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David Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 08:09:17 AM Definitely something strange about Kama. Connected to Nightfly also somehow. It sounds to me like there are little gremlins running around in the Kamakiriad recordings. OK, maybe it's just an LSD flashback but this is what I see. I like Donald's recurring theme about "Tomorrow's Girls." They are taking over, maybe it's for the best. Steely Dan's female characters are nothing if not emancipated (yikes to say the least!) and, at times, right in your face. They're unstoppable, they just run right over you. Beautiful and dangerous, kiss you deadly.

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Doctor Mu Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 06:46:48 AM t: I don't think so...The sonics on Pretzel are better (in the final recording). Plus Michael McDonald was hired for the Pretzel TOUR, AFTER the album was recorded and shipped. I read that Porcaro just stayed out way too late one night - was a no show (not the first time), so they used veteran session guy Hal Blaine (Pet Sounds, etc.) on the drums. Omartian, Eliot Randall, Rainey, the usual Katy Lied suspects are all there. C: It's supposed to be...it's a series of 50s SiFi dream sequences (REM sleep)...and dawn approaches by Florida Room, On the Dunes, and Teahouse...it's really weird on DVD-A.

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Clas Wednesday, August 18th 2004 - 12:31:50 AM Tones - just for fun I'll check out the vinyl. But then again, those vinyls are down at the c- house. --- And, are there anyone listening to Kamkiraiad? There's something wrong with that album. Can't put my finger on it.

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t - still speculatin'... Tuesday, August 17th 2004 - 06:37:37 PM Or maybe as a result of the master tape glitch, they used a track left over from the Pretzel sessions (judging by the non-track-specific players listed). One thing I've got to say again, the lastest remaster of CBaT is just outstanding. There's so much clarity and separation it blows away a lot of modern cd's. It blows away some of the rest of the Dan' catalog as far as sonics go. There's not as much going on in the mix as on later albums, so maybe that helps, but wow... some more.

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Doctor Mu Tuesday, August 17th 2004 - 05:33:34 PM Any World was recorded without Porcaro - i think late in the katy lied sessions. My guess is that it was last in the big master tape that was creamed by the noise reduction "glitch."

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angel Tuesday, August 17th 2004 - 11:24:08 AM Kings is deliberate! Just left channel keyboards then Donald's vocals dominate on the right.

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angel Tuesday, August 17th 2004 - 11:21:05 AM I always wondered about the volume on that one. You are right, it had to be deliberate, cause they would have fixed it (along with what they had to do to fix the other gremlin problems on Katy Lied). Gonna check out Citizen 1 right now and see if your other theory holds. Twin songs, hmmmm.... :-)

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tones Tuesday, August 17th 2004 - 11:14:53 AM ahh... the refreshing quench of information... David - thanks. That jogged some brain cells. I think I've seen one. That definitely looks easier to play than a traditional sitar. lp, angel, clas - the lack of volume is consistant over all the versions I've owned of CBaT. And good catch there angel - Any World definitely has the same volume issue. It's almost as if those songs were recorded at the same time and inserted into the albums. Seems odd with the Immortal's penchant for sonic perfection. Maybe it's intentional, like that old Jedi mind trick of backing off the volume just a bit to draw the listener in. I know it's worked on me all these years.

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angel Tuesday, August 17th 2004 - 10:17:58 AM Thought while coming into work this morning. 3 songs that seem to be connected in sound, tone and subject matter. Deacon Blues What a Shame about Me Things I miss the Most

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David Tuesday, August 17th 2004 - 10:13:04 AM http://www.quest-md.com/stars/index_e.html Looks like electric sitars look kinda like the late Mr. Jones' from the Rolling Stones teardrop guitar from forty years ago. Paper Sun, Paint It Black, Norwegian Wood and Do It Again: four great old electric sitar-assisted tunes.

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angel Tuesday, August 17th 2004 - 10:05:08 AM The cut that is real noticibly lower in volume, is Any World". Much Much lower volume and I definitely have to raise it up. Will check out the other.

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lp @ work Tuesday, August 17th 2004 - 07:36:56 AM tones - yes, i have noticed that too - but the remaster does clean it up, no?

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Clas Tuesday, August 17th 2004 - 12:08:06 AM T - no, haven't thought about that. My CD's are down at the c-house, I'll check it when I go down there.

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doh! Monday, August 16th 2004 - 11:57:32 PM uh... I meant Do It Again, not Dirty Work...

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tones Monday, August 16th 2004 - 11:56:18 PM Hey lp, I missed ya. Good to read you again. Hey I have a question for everyone: is an electric sitar (that 'sound' on Dirty Work) shaped like a sitar or a guitar? Oh, and does everyone reach to turn up the volume at the begining of Kings when playing CBaT? I think it's mastered slightly lower than Do It Again and Dirty Work before it, and Midnight Cruiser after it. Seems like I've been making the same motion during the same part of the album for almost 30 years.

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lp @ work Monday, August 16th 2004 - 01:09:04 PM hey - tg is here, that's very cool! miss me? anyone hear from david moore? jim#, is he in this room?

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Oy! Monday, August 16th 2004 - 07:16:04 AM Well, so much for this board

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C Sunday, August 15th 2004 - 02:25:11 AM Oh yes. Yesterday I watched a day at the Trotting Course on TV. They played Babylon Sisters as background music. The intro. Did you guys know that Dr Phil once was married with Oprah? Weird uh?

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C Sunday, August 15th 2004 - 02:13:13 AM Is that YOU Maxine? From way back? If you are, hi! If you're not, hi!

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I don't want no sugar in my coffee... Sunday, August 15th 2004 - 02:09:01 AM ... it makes me mean yes Lord it makes me mean... Got yout text message Gee. Great. Is this an European board? Van Gogh is great. Greater in real life though, where you can see those bold strokes. I'm going back to town tomorrow, Monday. See you then! /C

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angel Saturday, August 14th 2004 - 09:27:36 PM Flying proudly at our house. (sorry for the pop up ads and stuff) http://www.angelfire.com/mb2/bart/Olympicflag.html

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TG Saturday, August 14th 2004 - 03:18:52 PM Warm and cozy place to visit. I plan to come here often.

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Doctor Mu Friday, August 13th 2004 - 06:22:04 PM Just checking in. When are cocktails? Who remembers Todd's The Dream Goes On Forever? i hear a very vague connection with Here at the Western World, I bet Todd doesn't try those high notes anymore.

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Aja Friday, August 13th 2004 - 03:39:45 PM Julia Child was definitely an amazing and inspirational woman. I grew up on her cooking (my mother will be wearing black all this week), and not only did she lead an incredible life, she showed that you can live to be 91 eating butter and cream. Aja

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David Friday, August 13th 2004 - 02:42:27 PM How lucky am I to have all my favorite cybergirls so very close to me here on Red? The fact that I don't understand a single darn one of 'em in no way dissuades me from the joy. Now THAT defies understanding.

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angel Friday, August 13th 2004 - 01:42:13 PM LP: I almost posted my original comment with the heading of "angel posting as lp", cause I KNEW you would care. I met her once, in 1983, when I went to a fundraiser type dinner. She had just finished the show Dinner at Julia's and this was sort of a kickoff event. We brought 5 family members and we all had the time of our lives. She was a pure pleasure to be with, telling stories of her life and (of course) tips on cooking. A great loss. Maxine. I swear we are on the same wavelength here. I had just been thinking that when I was at Roseland I was in the spitting zone and I DIDN'T CARE. Who else would I do that for? No one! Truly special people.

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PQ Friday, August 13th 2004 - 01:03:19 PM David is actually in the first city the cane hit, Port Charlotte. I'm sure he's safely inland. Stay safe buddy! And I hope everyone here has purchased David's CD, Clockdrive World. Support your Dan Fan musicians!

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Maxine/Gretchen Friday, August 13th 2004 - 12:59:51 PM Without Julia Child, there would be no Martha Stewart, Food TV, or Gourmet Magazine. She was definitely a pioneer, always showing class and humor, never condescending or elitist, like some of the professional chefs of today are. Granted many of her recipies were health risks by today's standards, but she definitely many generations of people on the the pleasures of fine cuisine. Speaking of pleasures, I too think Donald's body language is alluring. Pinned against the stage that Friday night at Roseland, I thought I'd died and gone to heaven. He's an enigma on stage, just magic. Oh, lucky Libby.

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lp @ work Friday, August 13th 2004 - 12:56:08 PM yes, david in the florida room needs to check in julia died?!!!!!!! that is catastrophic - her influence in the 70's on cooking well at home as well as the simple art of cooking well raised the bar on cooking and spun an entire industry - wow - ever read her biography? i may still have it angel, if you want it - she was an incredibly intelligent and intellectual as well as classy woman

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angel Friday, August 13th 2004 - 12:40:19 PM Yes David, never try to understand the mind of women. Especially when it comes to Donald and Walter. :-)

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sh Friday, August 13th 2004 - 12:26:15 PM thanks ange - i thought he was near or in Port Charlotte. let's hope he's outta there... david (raj) - lol! can't really explain donald's sex appeal...but it's there

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angel Friday, August 13th 2004 - 12:20:47 PM SH: He resides on that side of Florida, so I would majorly bet money that he is on the move. I believe his home fronts the gulf. Spending the day dealing with the death of Julia Child. A gracious lady who was so capable of showing humanity, both in her shows and in her real life. Bon Appetit! Maxine: Oh yeah!!!!!!! Love that Aja shot. Thanks for reminding me. :-)

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David Friday, August 13th 2004 - 12:19:58 PM OK, Maxine, I love that sinister smile and what more could a girl ask for? Hmmm, how about, "SON OF SAM AND THE BOSTON STRANGLER?" sh - sexy body language?? Honey, the man hunches, he has terrible posture. Hello...reality? What is wrong with you Steely Dan Girls!!!!!

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sh Friday, August 13th 2004 - 12:10:40 PM sorry maxine - i forgot to say that i love that pic of Donald with his dog...and i've always thought that he's sexy...even now...and it has to do with his body language and the way he talks, sings, etc. but i kinda think he looks scary in that website photo...lol

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sh Friday, August 13th 2004 - 12:08:19 PM floridavid - i apologize for not remembering exactly where in Florida you are - but are you ok? Charley's looking dangerous...take care

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Maxine, aka Gretchen Friday, August 13th 2004 - 11:44:16 AM sh, don't get me started with Donald, lol! I always thought he was sexy. Have you seen the picture in the Aja liner notes of he and his dog? He's even sexier now, I love that sinister picture of him on his website. What more could a girl ask for?

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sh Friday, August 13th 2004 - 11:21:31 AM that would be "i" was high a lot...sheesh, must be those fruity drinks here...

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sh Friday, August 13th 2004 - 11:19:01 AM i always thought Donald looked kinda sexy in that reindeer sweater...of course of was high a lot in those days

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tones Friday, August 13th 2004 - 11:12:04 AM What first attracted me was that reindeer sweater Don wore back in the day... No seriously, my first Dan experince was in 6th grade, and for some reason we were allowed to listen to the radio in class one day, and Reelin' in the Years came on. Scott Miller and I thought it was a cool song. The next day my mother was dropping me off at school and Reelin' came on the radio and I said, "I like that song", and my mother said, "You do?" as in "Where the hell have you heard that before". Yep, that was the beginning of the end of my fragile eggshell mind (ala Jim Morrison)... thankfully...

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angel Friday, August 13th 2004 - 09:58:24 AM What really amazes me about the whole web thing is the fact that Steely Dan/Donald Fagen haven't gone with a slick design team type thing, like you see with so many other groups. You know, the big Flash open and lots of rah rah rah stuff. Not like I think they should, but it makes you wonder.... Then again, Steely Dan has ALWAYS been about the music first and that's what attracts me to them.

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sh Friday, August 13th 2004 - 08:22:05 AM hello? anybody home? listened to The Nightfly this morning i think i may have discovered who Lewis Fairlawn really is - remember the kid in the "dugout that my dad built" in the New Frontier video? could it be him? all grown up, now a computer geek and Donald Fagen's "web steward"? hehehehehee

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snakehips Thursday, August 12th 2004 - 01:45:46 PM thanks for all the happy birthday's...i saw a bumper sticker this morning that said "arms are for hugging"...a big hug to all of you sh

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David Thursday, August 12th 2004 - 11:07:08 AM Snakie - Happy Birthday baby, may your birthday wishes all come true. As Frank used to say, may you live to be 100 and may I be the last voice you hear be mine. It was funnier when Frank said it...

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lp, woops Thursday, August 12th 2004 - 10:46:02 AM happy birthday snakehips!!!

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angel Thursday, August 12th 2004 - 10:45:19 AM Ah, shoot....blame it on my being sick. :-) Happy Birthday Snakie! Anyone here see Tom Cruise's Latest Movie, Collateral? We just noticed the R rating and wondered what caused that? Is it the cold blooded way he off's people. I ask because we were going to bring the 13 year old and (obviously) we can't. John: Thanks so much for the answers. :-)

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ferenzik Thursday, August 12th 2004 - 09:45:28 AM http://www.ferenzik.com Hello all - checked back in and saw a few more questions for me, so here goes... for angel 1) Why did you get into music and what is your best memory of your career? When I was a kid, I just gravitated towards music. I liked cartoon music, especially Warner Brother cartoon music, and TV show music of the early 60's -- all that jazzy spy vs. spy and police thriller stuff. Music just seemed to make more sense than politics or religion, or just about anything; plus, it showed me that there were other ways to express yourself than merely talking, writing, or making diagrams on paper. The best memory of my career? I'll just pick one: I saw The Who play a concert in 1968, and it was pretty great. 2) On the Donald/Todd possible tour, what do you see as the places where their musical vision intersects? Well, I'd have to wait until I see them play together to figure that one out! I'm only guessing, but I think it'll be funky. for Herman Roovers Question for John Ferenzik: saw you playing with Todd and the other guys in Holland - Bospop - Weert and start a discussion about the Liars- outfit. Do you like your outfit or is it to pleasure Todd (and some fans)? It was really a thrill to play Bospop. Personally, I'm not a big costume fan. But it helps in keeping with the themes of Todd's tunes for the Liars tour, and after all my griping, it is fun to dress up and pretend to be a bit of a character. Makes it more theatrical. The downside: You get to sweat a lot. Ciao for now...

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your biggest fan Thursday, August 12th 2004 - 09:31:13 AM speaking of calling you out... Happy Birthday Snakehips!

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Maxine Thursday, August 12th 2004 - 08:09:43 AM Sorry, lp, try this: http://www.dandom.com/toddonfagen.mp3 I got it from blue, in a post by Hoops. It's a part of an interview of Rundgren where he says he and Donald will be doing a Rock and Soul tour, but also said they needed to record something first. So things look good.......

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lp Thursday, August 12th 2004 - 07:49:49 AM maxine - the link didn't work and i couldn't find it - so i heard that boz scaggs' tour is pretty amazing - i missed the boston show but my friends down there said it was perfect! anyone going? gone? reviews?

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snakehips Thursday, August 12th 2004 - 07:00:52 AM David - hi darlin'! i just knew someone would call me out on the haitian divorce lyric...lol a dear friend of mine who's a music aficionado, and apparently a dance aficionado ;-), pointed that out to me after i posted yesterday...i must have been having a "bizarro world" moment (everything backwards ala "Seinfeld") ...lol and how about in "Do It Again"... "the mourners ...sangin' - the hangman...hangin'... sh

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duncan Thursday, August 12th 2004 - 03:50:19 AM wow takes me back to amen corner. nice job

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Herman Roovers Wednesday, August 11th 2004 - 02:26:55 PM Question for John Ferenzik: saw you playing with Todd and the other guys in Holland - Bospop - Weert and start a discussion about the Liars-outfit. Do you like your outfit or is it to pleasure Todd (and some fans)?

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ferenzik Wednesday, August 11th 2004 - 11:32:19 AM http://www.ferenzik.com Hey, more questions via email! Cool! here goes... 6. Yet another big name, Frank Gambale on 'Wild Man of Borneo'. How come it seems these great musicians keep a low profile, or are they musicians for musicians mainly? Well, Frank was cool. He happened to be passing through town. I asked if he could play, and he graciously agreed to do so. I was thrilled to have someone of that stature play on my stuff. But to answer your question, I don't think any musician sets out to keep a low profile, or only play music that other musicians will like to the exclusion of everyone else. If what you do happens to catch on, you're Snoop Dogg or Yanni or Britney or Metallica, and if it doesn't you're more like, well, me. 7. From your point of view, is there any resemblance in the creative minds of Donald Fagen and Todd Rundgren? I wouldn't be able to say, since I've never had the opportunity to spend any time with Mr. Fagen. But if I had to guess, I say they're both musical, so there's got to be common ground. 8. How did it all start for you, the music ..... how old were you when you started playing an instrument? I was 5 years old when I started piano lessons. I was a terrible student. But I liked the sound of a piano and I'd noodle around a lot. Later on, I picked up playing guitar when I was about 13 or so, after my younger brother kind of gave up on it. I started on the guitar because The Beatles were such an influence, and probably because the guitar looked cooler. Besides, at that point, girls seems more interested in guitarists, and I was becoming more aware of girls...you get the picture. 9. Anything you'd like to share about your musical development and such is welcome! Thanks for the invitation. I don't know what to say... I hope that doesn't mean I've finished developing musically! some goofy ones: 10. Do you like food? Do you like to cook? Do fish swim? Yes I like food. Probably too much. With regards to cooking: I like to burn stuff on the grill outside when weather permits. 11. How would an ideal United States of America look in your perspective? It would be in the form of a circle, with more exits and better lighting. 12. When you're away on tour, do you get to see a lot of the countries you visit? Not really. Sometime you get a day or two off, and you can go sightseeing and/or do your laundry. That's a luxury. Mostly you just get to experience the varying qualities of hotel services, restaurants, airports, rental cars and tours buses. 13. What's your most ideal venue? small crowd, bigger audiences ....? I think an ideal venue is anyplace where the music sounds good, acoustically. After that, it's creature comforts. Are the dressing rooms comfortable or do they smell like sweaty feet (or worse)? It's the little things. As far as the audience goes, if they're supportive - or at least, not throwing anything - then that's good. Size doesn't matter. 14. the world of john ferenzik. you got a couple of albums and cd's out now. are there any musicians you got on your list, people you'd like to work with? I don't have a list - that would mean planning! Seriously, I've been lucky to work with people whose company I really enjoy. I'm thankful and deeply grateful to all the musicians who have played on my stuff. And, if I can get 'em to do some more, that would be great. ...Finally, thanks for the opportunity to spout off! I'll check back later to see what's up. Ciao

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angel Wednesday, August 11th 2004 - 10:37:23 AM Webperson: Please don't let my posting those lyrics, deter you from adding them to this website. I think that would be a fitting place for them to reside. For you Maxine: Dr. Wu Don't Take Me Alive Lunch With Gina (Soundcheck heard out back of Roseland pre Friday show. I never had such a rush!) John Ferenzik: What a blast to read some of your thoughts. Why did you get into music and what is your best memory of your career? On the Donald/Todd possible tour, what do you see as the places where their musical vision intersects? Busy day today, so I may not be able to check in again, til tomorrow.

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David Wednesday, August 11th 2004 - 10:19:36 AM Love the Van Gogh pic, BTW. Reminds me a lot of Starry Night. Isn't the name of that dance "Merengue?" I thought they just sort of fractured it in order to rhyme with "hot so?" Or maybe that's they way the Latinos pronounce it.

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Aja Wednesday, August 11th 2004 - 10:13:47 AM Hello one and all, and yes, it really seems to be "all" here-good to see the nice people are hanging out here-LOL!Thanks for sending me the link, lp. Looking forward to reading more on this mysterious Fagen/Rundgren hook-up. Aja

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Maxine Wednesday, August 11th 2004 - 10:08:29 AM Green Earrings is one of my top 5 Steely songs. I also love the version on AIA, the intro is so dynamic and I like the extended keyboard part. What are everyone's favorite tracks,anyway, though it's hard to pick. Here are mine, leaving out any solo efforts: 1. Home at Last 2 Gold Teeth 1 3 Glamour Profession 4 Black Cow 5 Green Earrings 6 Bad Sneakers 7 Green Book 8 Dr Wu 9 Kid Charlemagne 10 Gaucho/Babylon Sisters

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ferenzik Wednesday, August 11th 2004 - 09:56:15 AM http://www.ferenzik.com ... and here are some answers for y'all. 1. Do you by any chance own any Steely Dan records? Yep - most if not all of 'em. 2. Which song would be your favorite? Wow. Depends on what day it is. Today's favorite: "Babylon Sisters." Why? Because you've got to shake it baby. 3. Did you ever play any of their songs? I used to play "Black Friday", "The Fez", "Peg", "Deacon Blues" and "Kid Charlemagne" in cover bands back in the 70s. I'm probably forgetting a few. Anyway, playing a Steely Dan song was a relief from playing stuff like "Car Wash" and "Disco Inferno" in clubs back then. 4. How did you get to meet Todd Rundgren? I met Todd through Jesse Gress (a dear friend and fantastic guitarist) after Jesse had joined to play on Todd's Second Wind Tour. (I think that Jesse may have given Todd an audition tape where Jesse had played on some of my tunes, just prior to getting the gig - so that's pretty flattering.) Later down the line, when "The Individualist" tour needed a keyboard/guitarist, I was lucky enough to be hired on. But aside from all this, I was always a fan, dating back to when Todd played with The Nazz - I just always liked the tunes and that guitar playing. 5. How did you get to meet Mike Keneally? I'd seen Mike play with Frank Zappa a number of times, but never got to really meet up with him until after the infamous "Zappa's Universe" gig in New York City. That was such a grand and ambitious event - hard to describe to anyone who wasn't there. Again, Jesse was the connection, and we were able to get backstage and chat a bit, and then we hung out afterwards. When there was a chance to have him play on my CD "House of Boris" I jumped on it to make it happen. He's just a fantastically creative and talented person. Oh yeah! Did I forget to mention, "nice?" He's nice. ... that's all for now.

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Gina Wednesday, August 11th 2004 - 09:55:51 AM hey Snakehips! Ditto, i was cleaning the house to the rhythms of Royal Scam and really had to pump up the volume when Green Earrings started. The guitar, never really listened to it all that well i guess, the guitars are amazing. And in the light of the Sign In Stranger, the old yellow book yes, i am gonna find me that T-shirt and take a picture and post it in here!

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snakehips Wednesday, August 11th 2004 - 09:48:39 AM listened to Royal Scam this morning for the first time in months...this place is already an inspiration ...the band was hot so, they danced the famous merango... gotta love lyrics like that...the thought of D&W trying to come up with something that rhymed with "merango"lol...and of course, the way Fagen sings the words is, well, priceless

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M5 Wednesday, August 11th 2004 - 09:41:03 AM Welcome David. As you can see, Ferenzik, Todd's keyboardman, is willing to answer our questions. But I doubt whether he can fill in the blanks as far as the Rundgren/Fagen nuptial is concerned. There's more 'Steely' stuff to Ferenzik, he's got Mike Keneally playing guitars on one of his CD's. Where's W1P btw?

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David Wednesday, August 11th 2004 - 09:34:11 AM Hey, It's Rajah here. Since the tenor of this place will hopefully be a civilized and friendly one, I'll drop the Rajah crap for ya. Mizar 5 is the brightest star in the panhandle of the Big-Dipper, no? At the acute curvature in the handle as I recall, I think. Now who can tell us if Todd is indeed "back" and sounding good? Can we still be friends? David

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Q's for Ferenzik Wednesday, August 11th 2004 - 09:03:04 AM 1. Do you by any chance own any Steely Dan records? 2. Which song would be your favorite? 3. Did you ever play any of their songs? 4. How did you get to meet Todd Rundgren? 5. How did you get to meet Mike Keneally? These are the first 5 questions. John Ferenzik already confirmed he would be delighted to answer any questions we have for him, so .....

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M5 Wednesday, August 11th 2004 - 08:33:57 AM Thanks John for dropping by! Perhaps some of the Mizar visitors can draw up a list of Q's to ask John?

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ferenzik Wednesday, August 11th 2004 - 08:13:34 AM http://www.ferenzik.com hi there - nice to see a guestbook like this one, and know that somebody has an idea where 'mizar 5' might be located... john

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Maxine Wednesday, August 11th 2004 - 07:46:51 AM http://www.dandom.com/ toddonfagen.mp3 . LP, here's a link for that

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lp Wednesday, August 11th 2004 - 06:54:49 AM is there a link to a story on donald's upcoming work?

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M5 Wednesday, August 11th 2004 - 06:52:28 AM You know how to fill in the gaps, angel :-) Indian Red and font 'Century Gothic'. Not almost, but entirely gothic :-)

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angel Wednesday, August 11th 2004 - 06:38:12 AM I went looking for some "source" material and I found that the Mizar5 creator, had definitely done some homework. So, after reading these, I just felt like it would be better that I just post them here, for a refresh of memory. Maybe sometime I will do some parody work on it, but for now, here is the spirit of Mizar 5. Thanks to Donald and Walter. ___________________________________________ Have you heard about the boom on Mizar Five People got to shout to stay alive They don't even have policeman one Doesn't matter where you been or what you've done Do you have a dark spot on your past Leave it to my man he'll fix it fast Pepe has a scar from ear to ear He will make your mug shots disappear CHORUS: You zombie Be born again my friend Won't you sign in stranger Do you like to take a yo-yo for a ride Zombie I can see you're qualified Walk around collecting Turkish union dues They will call you sir and shine your shoes Or maybe you would like to see the show You'll enjoy the Cafe D'Escargot Folks are in a line around the block Just to see her do the can-can-Jacques CHORUS Love or leave her, yellow fever Sure, it's all in the game And who are you Just another scurvy brother

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M5 Wednesday, August 11th 2004 - 02:22:34 AM http://trbazaar.com/ferenzik.htm The color in here is Indian Red. It's the ideal color for stardust. I invited John Ferenzik, he's in Todd Rundgren's band. Who knows he might find the time to swing by and share some stardust stories with us.

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Floridavid Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 07:33:38 PM http://www.davidmooremusic.com Maxine, I'm also thrilled to hear of Donald and Todd. Maybe Pat Metheny?Billy Joel? I'd also hope Walters' hand would be in there too. Also very nice to see some familiar people here.

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Maxine Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 07:16:51 PM This is a nice place, sets a tone for civility and talking to other like minded individuals in a kind and respectful way. Hey, we're all SD fans, we should stick together. I almost want to bring wine and crostini! I wonder who else Donald has lined up for his solo effort, as he was supposed to be recording with several artists. If he went with Rundgren as one of them, who knows who else could be in there? I'd love to see him with a variety of artists across the board, from jazz, hip hop and rock. Pharell from the Neptunes and NERD has listed SD as one of his favorites. It would be cool to see him put that neo soul influence into Donald's Rock and Soul concept. Of course, Donald and BRuuuuuuuuubeck on a track would be musical heaven. Any ideas from others for "dream duos?"

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Floridavid Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 06:35:42 PM http://www.davidmooremusic.com Wow, I like it here...

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angel Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 04:50:58 PM Has anyone heard the title song from Bourne Identity/Supremacy? Performed by Moby, it is called "Extreme Ways" and it sounds to me just like the song by Bob Seeger "Turn the Page". Am I going nuts, or what?

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PQ Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 04:25:58 PM I dig this format alot!

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PQ Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 04:10:38 PM http://danfannovel.com Dig the red!

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wormtom Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 03:31:03 PM hi gang, I have lp anne to thank for sending me here cozy place, and the usual suspects, blaise? gina? Rundgren and Fagen Fagrundengren "sounds like a german verbalisity" Todd's latest Liars is a return to form and I saw him last month in N.O. are they composing together or just touring together? wt

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tones Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 03:04:16 PM Hey... thanks to the "5 minds" for the space. Good to see the friendly handles and warm vibes. Yo snakie!! Why do I have a sudden urge for sushi?

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angel Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 02:48:06 PM Ghosting a post. Ah, that would be a little birdie friend whispering a password in my ear..... :-)

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M5 Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 01:56:42 PM http://www.tr-i.com Todd Rundgren has numerous compositions worth listening to. The late Robert Palmer recorded Rundgren's 'Can We Still Be Friends?' and this is just one example. Rundgren's bosa nova CD 'With A Twist' is fabulous. Like Donald Fagen, Walter Becker, Frank Zappa and some others, this Todd Rundgren stuck to his own thing. And therefore there's kinship.

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Maxine Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 01:40:12 PM I like the color in here, too, and the pic. I'm wondering who the host/hostess is, too. So what does everyone think about the Donald/Todd Rundgren story? I never would have imagined Donald and Todd would work together, but now that I think of it, a few of Todd's compositions sound like they could have been done by SD, especially "Real Man." Very melancholy combination, I think.

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M5 Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 01:36:03 PM Welcome sh. This website is based on a collective of five minds who once joined together to share some personal space and find alternative pastime in the Steely Dan online world. So it's safe to say these five friends provided for the inspiration to build this Mizar5. Enjoy being here.

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snakehips Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 01:26:17 PM http:// hey - my homegirls Angel and LP are here :-) we need our homeboy Tones too angel - how do you "ghost" someone? i'm still pretty computer illiterate as you can see i think lewis fairlawn might wear stupid glasses and a hat... i really like this color do we know who our host is? sh

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Maxine Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 12:28:49 PM That's funny, you are reading my mind. I was just thinking about golf myself. Those who are not on vacation are golfing somewhere, except for me of course. Somehow I can't picture Louis as a golfer, but more of a techno-genius, a little too nerd-ish for the game of golf. He's probably taking his mother and aunt on a tour of Europe for the summer, that's why things are stalled over at DF.com.

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angel Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 12:24:28 PM I love that picture. Just the right accent. I feel welcome here and that is nice. Regarding Donald Fagen and his possible tour next year with Todd Rungren. I am not quite sure what to think of that. Isn't Todd the one who sang "Hello it's Me?

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M5 Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 12:15:25 PM To plug or pull the plug, that is indeed the question. Thank you Maxine, for gracing us with a visit. I don't know about you, but I am kind of excited about the idea of this Donald Fagen character, Lewis Fairlawn. Somehow I picture him playing golf. I can see him wearing white pants, an impeccable taste this Lewis Fairlawn must have. Hm. He must be a golfplayer, or else the DF website would be up and running now, wouldn't it?

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Maxine Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 11:52:57 AM Is this up and running? It seems very nice, so far, thank you for creating it, and good luck!

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M5 Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 09:07:32 AM http:// www.wytec.org/STN%20run%201/images/00002911_Mizar-5_gif.jpg Please check the link to find out visually where we are. I'd like to welcome each and every visitor for dropping by in this cosy corner we call Mizar5. I hope you will enjoy your stay!

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M5 Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 08:51:16 AM Wow, you fast grrrl, the paint ain't even dry yet LOL

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luckless pedestrian Tuesday, August 10th 2004 - 08:49:43 AM is this mic on?

... M I Z A R 5 It's all in the game, who are you ..... [ TOP]